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#1 catchnrelease

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 04:22 PM

I've been looking at getting a squid rod for a while now, and have found that almost all the Japanese rods have jig ratings that are quite high, around the 3.0-4.5 range. I squid in NSW Australia and often use jigs around the 2.0-2.5 weight - in fact that would be what I use most often. I've been looking at getting the Major Craft ZALTZ ZAT-832E or maybe Major Craft ZALTZ ZAT-862E (same rod, slightly different length) and they have a rating of 2.5-3.5. Seeing how I use 2.0 jigs quite often would there be any significant loss in performance if I used a jig slightly lower than the recommended jig weight??? This applies to any jig rod really. Seeing how these rods are over 8 foot in length, surely they'd have the flexibility in the tip to cast light jigs?

On top of that, does anyone use a Major Craft? Any reviews? Here's a link:
http://www.plat.co.j...z-zat-862e.html

Thanks for any help,
Alex
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Edited by catchnrelease, 05 October 2009 - 04:26 PM.

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#2 egi zed

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 01:14 AM

It shouldn't be a problem. I have a Daiwa rod rated 2.5-3.5. I find it a bit stiff for 2.0s though (only use them when desperate) Over here 3.5 is kind of the standard size and even in autumn a lot of people only go as low as 2.5.

I don't have a Major Craft eging rod but I do for ultralight rockfish. It's a good rod, not flash compared to others on the market but gives good bang for buck.
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#3 namyau

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:40 AM

it will be fine, you might find it a bit harder to control lighter egis. the zaltz is a pretty good rod for the money, a friend of mine recently got one from HK and ive had a play with it. you wont be dissapointed. if you really are keen on sticking a lighter rod then look at the yamashita naory rods they are about $300+ and the only place ive seen them is at fish head in brisbane. nice rod but too light imho as it designed more for aarow squid

http://www.yamaria.c...904_f-shaft.htm
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#4 catchnrelease

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:43 AM

Thanks guys! What's got me is the cost of the Zaltz. It's only around $200au so it's reasonably priced. Over here my best technique is more of a slow lift and a long pause - not the quick rip style I've seen elsewhere. My main concern was when casting, but if it's fine then great!

One more question. Do you guys use braid joined to a leader or straight through fluorocarbon? The reason I ask is the guides on these egi rods seem tiiiiiiiny and I was wondering whether that would affect casting distance due to having the leader knot travel through the guides. What lb/kg leader do you guys find works best with these small guides? i.e. what's the heaviest you can realistically go?
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 09:59 AM

np :( i run varivas egi pe 0.8 and use fluro leader between 8lb-12lb and at least a rod length. i currently use a olympic- graphiteleader calamaretti nuovo 83m and sephia ci4 c3000sdh. had the raycal and triplecross as well.
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#6 catchnrelease

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:18 PM

Thanks. What's the Varivas Egi braid like? I know Varivas produces great braided lines (like the GT casting one) but what's the major advantage of using these "Egi" braids? I was just going to use a normal braid like maybe Sunline, Nitlon or maybe even some 6lb Fireline I have lying around.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:17 PM

i don't know about the squid braid or the rods,
but about the knots
if you are worried about tying an allbright, a double uni-knot will finish with the tag end facing toward the reel
it will cast well but it is a 'lumpy knot'
the allbright is the best for casting as it is a smooth knot and if tied well can be trimmed back hard against the knot itself
however if not tied right it will just undo itself when trimmed short
both knots are basically twice the thickness of the mono

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#8 catchnrelease

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:26 PM

Mate I use a slim beauty, when tied well it's an awesome knot. Double uni's are fine for light lines but do become bulky when going heavier. I hate albrights, I've had way too many problems with the tag end catching guides or the braid. You end up having to trim it extremely close to the knot which leaves little to no room for error. Slim beauty's are just easier. :(
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 06:30 AM

i didn't know if you knew your knots
you may be surprised how many people don't know the most basic things

when i tie an allbright in the lighter lines i tighten it using a set of spring scales
to make sure it is as tight as possible before trimming the tag

if you want to get fanatical, you could always make the leader up as a top shot
but i can't see it being worth the effort

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 08:19 AM

Thanks. What's the Varivas Egi braid like? I know Varivas produces great braided lines (like the GT casting one) but what's the major advantage of using these "Egi" braids? I was just going to use a normal braid like maybe Sunline, Nitlon or maybe even some 6lb Fireline I have lying around.



varivas actually have 2 types of egi pe one normal and the other suspends. from my understanding braid floats when dry then as it absorbs water its starts to sink down. the one im using is the suspend model, and as the name states its does suspend a bit in the top water column. apart from being very supple and sensitive there isnt much difference at all. i can also reccomend using varivas pe conditioner on any braid it makes casting sooo much easier.

oh and as for knots slim beauty is good, and also the gt (or pr) knot - uni to uni or improved albright if your in a rush as they are piss easy to do on the go.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:07 PM

Thanks. I think I'll stick to Sunline Super PE though. Cheap and of good quality - win win.

I've heard of that PE conditioner? How does it work and what does it do? Do you just spray it on to the spool?
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:36 PM

Thanks. I think I'll stick to Sunline Super PE though. Cheap and of good quality - win win.

I've heard of that PE conditioner? How does it work and what does it do? Do you just spray it on to the spool?



yeah sunline super pe is good bang for buck, the conditioner feels like silicon but not as slippery, not 100% sure of how it helps the line as i cant read jap, but just thought id give it a try. im impressed with it cos i sprayed it on the line over the weekend and left to dry then on monday night went for a sesh and could deff feel a difference in casting
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 11:18 PM

Well according to the can I have, it is a flourine coating that reduces friction between the line and guides and protects the line from continuous casting, extending its life. It also helps to reduce the build up of static and can be used on nylon and fluoro.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 08:53 AM

Catchnrelease did you end up buying the Zaltz? Im looking at geting one myself but Im having trouble deciding whether to go for the ZAT-832E or the ZAT-832EH. I mainly use 3.25 - 3.5 size jigs but would like to be able to cast 4.0 size jigs too. Does anyone know if the ZAT-832E be able to cope with the size 4.0 jigs?
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 10:55 AM

Wow I forgot about this thread. No I did not buy the rod, I ended up spending all my $$$ on a new exxy jigging outfit (Twinpower 8000SWPG-A on a 5'6" PE5 Catalina rod) after my cheaper one blew up on me big time. I needed it for some charters I'll be doing jigging/livebaiting for small marlin, big kings and tuna.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:52 PM

Ok no probs, I think im gonna go with the 832EH anyway
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 12:01 AM

My Diawa rod rated 2.5-3.5 snapped the other day while using a 4.0 :)

I guess that means that the rating is more than just a guide.

I replaced it with a heavier rated rod and the jigging feel is much better. I get good wuality darting without the shock to my arms. Will have to wait till next autumn to find out how it goes with smaller jigs though. We are heading into monster season over here :)
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:41 AM

that is terrible for the rod to break like that. any chance of a refund?
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 10:37 PM

Warrenty was for only one year and I'd had it for over 2 and registered it with Daiwa so I had to buy a new tip. The worst thing is, I managed to snap the tip off that in the car on my next trip. Was still able to get a couple with it though so I'm just going to clean it up and use it as a short boat rod or autumn rod.
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